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« on: November 16, 2009, 06:44:17 PM »

I'm really surprised no one has made a post on this yet? The movie looks epic and has a great story to back up the cutting edge technology visuals we will be seeing.

http://www.avatarmovie.com/
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2009, 10:13:58 AM »

I am looking forward to seeing it at a local digital theatre - we'll have to get an LS movie night going on for it... =)
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2009, 06:07:01 PM »

Looks pretty cool.  smiley
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2009, 09:04:39 PM »

I just saw a 3 minute commercial for it last night on TV during House.  First I'd heard of it. 
Any info on how long the movie is?
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2009, 10:29:51 PM »

Not really. But judging from the information gathered from the site. The fact its been in development for something like 15 years and has been like filming for 4 years due to technology, looking at all the stuff in the trailer itself the possibilities for the story to go many ways. I'd say this movie has to be at least 120 minutes. If not very close.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2009, 12:56:09 AM »

Visually, this movie looks more awesome than awesome can be; but my wary side is hoping they didn't scrap plot for eyecandy budgets (see the "9" review).   The trailers I've seen tells me this guy infiltrates their homeworld, betrays them, and bam, "oh, we're cool now, we forgot about that whole betrayal business."
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2009, 12:24:24 PM »

And don't forget he gets the hot alien chick at the end too Wink
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2009, 04:25:49 PM »

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this film is a horrible remake of Dances with Wolves. the director James Cameron even states that the 1990 film is a theme his film "borrows" upon. borrows couldn't be used in a more loose sense than a $5 whore and a case of tequila. this is where my review would end, but I hate this movie to no end, and feel I should prove my point.

one of my friends at work convinced me to go to this thing. and pay the $13.00 for it, because you "have" to watch it in 3-D. no you don't! do you really need to see a gun sticking out in your face? do you need the headache you'll get because the 3-D glasses don't match up with your prescription glasses? the answer to both - no. moving on. the film opens with a handicapped man having his brother cremated in space. they used a cardboard box for his remains. so we're in the year 2154, and we can't help Marines being paralyzed or use an actual coffin? okay - strike 1. we then find out the Army is after a rare element known as (and I'm NOT kidding here) UNOBTAINIUM?!? they go the entire film and don't state what this is used for. or why it's only located on this planet. the budget for this was $500 MILLION and you couldn't trademark a name better than unobtainium? okay - strike 2.

then the pretty colors come in to play. it seems the planet we've shipped out to is called Pandora (again with the stupid tongue in cheek metaphor) and is a hazardous place to be. the natives don't much care for us. but somehow, they've learned English. I'll let that slide, there was a possible scenario for this, but that's being generous. so anyways, we somehow got a sample of the native Na'vi and figured out how to clone empty shells of them. we then take control of these clones, thus the Avatar name. again, we can clone an alien who uses a tail as the ultimate flash drive for interfacing with horses, trees, nature, each other, winged creatures; but we can't fix a spine without billions of dollars? okay - strike 3, you're out, I'm done.

that literally almost happened, I almost passed out. the first 2 hours of the film will put you to sleep. it's all dialogue, most of it tongue in cheek. and lots of it are unnecessary! yes the Americans wiped out the Indians to the point of near extinction. sad, but it happened. the Nazi's did it to the Jewish people, the English did the same to the Irish, the Romans did the same to the Christians, etc etc etc. bad stuff has happened all throughout history because our species isn't perfect, I get that. but I don't need a 2-hour lecture about it when I'm paying to be entertained by a film. so I don't need the constant comparison nor the guilt trip this movie puts on you.

moving on. the natives want to protect Hometree (argh, another good use of sarcasm there huh) from us invaders. the "unobtainium" sadly rests below Hometree so you can guess what happens. the lead character is given 3 months to get them to move - or else. in those 3 months, he literally gets the same Dances with Wolves treatment Kevin Costner got, almost to the letter, right down to the marriage. strike 4! sure enough, the time runs out so it's time for the military to have their way. Hometree is destroyed, so the natives regroup up at a place called - (again I'm not kidding) Sacred Tree. who's writing this thing again?!? the lead character then gives a speech borrowed from Braveheart, 300, and the Lord of the Rings. again by "borrowed" I mean at the end of his speech, you literally hear the guy stop short of saying "This is SPARTA!" I can't believe I was still sitting there at this point.

finally, what we've all been waiting 2 hours for. the end fight scene. and it's not completely out of left field, but it's really really stupid. apparently arrows against tanks and bullets can only go so far, so when everybody is about to die, guess what happens? yes the planet has heard their cry for help, and sends the animal populace of the planet against the invaders. you read that right. the animals that were killing the Na'vi earlier on are now sympathetic to their plight and move in to help out. strike 5! sure enough, the animals were the key all along, so the heroes win. the Marines leave dejected, because surely there's no way they wouldn't come back with a hundred times more ordinance. nope, that'd be just silly.

in closing. there are so many points taken DIRECTLY from Dances with Wolves, James Cameron better be giving a share of the profits to those people. in fact, if anybody sees James Cameron in real life, tell him he owes me $13.00 and I want it back. the film had to use a couple grand of the $500 million budget at least to get reviewers to give this a positive review.  you don't really lose the fact you're watching a movie, even in "3-D". they try way too hard to make sure you hate the Army and it's completely bad writing all the way through. after it was over, I sat there in disbelief at a lot of what I just saw. my friend knew instantly that I was boiling with rage and said "it wasn't that bad." at which point I heard a voice behind us say "I liked it." I almost turned around and slugged him when I saw that he was in a wheelchair. punching the handicapped would be taking it too far, but the need for rioting was most definitely going through my mind. this film isn't the worst film of all time, but it's not for lack of trying. it's barely better than Wolverine: Origins. yes, that bad. I will say - 5th worst movie of all time.
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2009, 12:35:06 AM »

Alrighty, I suppose its my turn. Now AT I am going to quote some things in your review but please be assured I am not picking on you, just offering another point of view and being a little picky to your ummm "pickyness" if I can safely say that.

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this film is a horrible remake of Dances with Wolves. the director James Cameron even states that the 1990 film is a theme his film "borrows" upon. borrows couldn't be used in a more loose sense than a $5 whore and a case of tequila. this is where my review would end, but I hate this movie to no end, and feel I should prove my point.

I agree with you but only to a certain extent. Lets take a look at what Hollywood has been doing for the past few years. They have been remaking movies quicker then chinese and korean sweat shops can pump out soccer balls. The story line does borrow from dances with wolves. But the work is original. I'd say its themed around dances with wolves more then anything else. Not a big deal, after all hollywood has been remaking movies just because lets put it quite frankly. Original ideas are getting slim. I mean c'mon they've made so many movies. We're going to see remakes of crime/thrillers Horror/slashers Action/suspense ect.... So instead of being reminded of killings, rape, murders ect... at least this one strikes a sense of hope. How many more original story lines can we honestly keep coming up with almost everything out there now a days is borrowing from another movie in some sorts, honestly I don't think Avatar could of been made any other way.

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the film opens with a handicapped man having his brother cremated in space. they used a cardboard box for his remains. so we're in the year 2154, and we can't help Marines being paralyzed or use an actual coffin? okay - strike 1.we then find out the Army is after a rare element known as (and I'm NOT kidding here) UNOBTAINIUM?!? they go the entire film and don't state what this is used for. or why it's only located on this planet. the budget for this was $500 MILLION and you couldn't trademark a name better than unobtainium? okay - strike 2.

They had a explanation for this. We're on the planet for one reason. To get that element that not only will solve the worlds economic crisis, but their energy crisis as well because its explained the planet earth is dying because of this so called energy crisis. They can help people who are paralyzed, also explained that it just wasn't possible because of the economic crisis. The whole cardboard box thing, ya I didn't get that either but a detail that was meaningless to the entire movie and I just didn't pay any attention to it because I didn't need to. I agree on the name thing...that was a little weird and seemed to sort of been disregarded but again not a big deal, not even vital to the movie all we know is they need it, their after it the name is pointless anyways to the cause.

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but somehow, they've learned English. I'll let that slide, there was a possible scenario for this, but that's being generous.

Explained in the movie. They built schools for the Na'vi. They wanted to avoid military action and go in diplomaticly. So they built schools to teach them english to better communicate and find these diplomatic solutions. The parts we saw took place way after this, apparently we've been there for quite some time. That element was other places on the planet, however the biggest source of it was under their home. If you caught some quick glimpses of some photos Grace had, you would see she has long spent time with the Na'vi with her Avatar.

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we can clone an alien who uses a tail as the ultimate flash drive for interfacing with horses, trees, nature, each other, winged creatures; but we can't fix a spine without billions of dollars? okay - strike 3, you're out, I'm done.

Correction, it's their hair that does that. Your analogy is hilarious...I told my buddy that it redefined the statement "I want to feel you inside me" But we'll go with yours lol. Yeah the whole clone and spine thing didn't make sense to me either, we'll call that a hole in the plot but still I ignored it and just enjoyed the movie for what it was.

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the first 2 hours of the film will put you to sleep. it's all dialogue, most of it tongue in cheek. and lots of it are unnecessary! yes the Americans wiped out the Indians to the point of near extinction. sad, but it happened. the Nazi's did it to the Jewish people, the English did the same to the Irish, the Romans did the same to the Christians, etc etc etc. bad stuff has happened all throughout history because our species isn't perfect, I get that. but I don't need a 2-hour lecture about it when I'm paying to be entertained by a film. so I don't need the constant comparison nor the guilt trip this movie puts on you.

Inglorious basterds pretty much did the same to me. The movie was practically all dialogue on a genre of movies that has been over done and should probably be laid to rest. Same could be said about the Avatar story line. I agree there could of been less dialogue and a bit more action in the movie but I can see why they pushed the guilt trip a lot. In movies like this just like in video games the goal is to make you fall in love with certain characters. To be quite honest we were invading their world, we were the bad guys I am glad they pushed the guilt trip. They pushed it so much I was so hoping that corporate bastard guy, forgot his name, was decapitated and disembowled...thats how much they made me hate him lol. They first two hours kept me awake with its eye popping scenery and developing story. There were action moments too but nothing like I had hoped that the trailer had deceivingly implied (notice this trend lately?) Now I will make a small stab here but not a hostile one? How can you say you did not want a two hour lecture on how mankind is a mean species when you are paying to be entertained by a movie, when you did praise Inglorious basterds and that movie actually had very little fighting or action scenes and was practically all dialogue and 75% of the movie was spoken in different languages (yes with subtitles)? Honestly...I will call you out on being a bit biased here. I know you like Quentin but lets face it. Inglorious Basterds really wasn't that great and could quite honestly fall on par with Avatar in story content and entertainment. But thats just my opinion.

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moving on. the natives want to protect Hometree (argh, another good use of sarcasm there huh) from us invaders. the "unobtainium" sadly rests below Hometree so you can guess what happens. the lead character is given 3 months to get them to move - or else. in those 3 months, he literally gets the same Dances with Wolves treatment Kevin Costner got, almost to the letter, right down to the marriage. strike 4! sure enough, the time runs out so it's time for the military to have their way. Hometree is destroyed, so the natives regroup up at a place called - (again I'm not kidding) Sacred Tree. who's writing this thing again?!? the lead character then gives a speech borrowed from Braveheart, 300, and the Lord of the Rings. again by "borrowed" I mean at the end of his speech, you literally hear the guy stop short of saying "This is SPARTA!"

I'm going to give you this one. Point taken!

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finally, what we've all been waiting 2 hours for. the end fight scene. and it's not completely out of left field, but it's really really stupid. apparently arrows against tanks and bullets can only go so far, so when everybody is about to die, guess what happens? yes the planet has heard their cry for help, and sends the animal populace of the planet against the invaders. you read that right. the animals that were killing the Na'vi earlier on are now sympathetic to their plight and move in to help out. strike 5! sure enough, the animals were the key all along, so the heroes win. the Marines leave dejected, because surely there's no way they wouldn't come back with a hundred times more ordinance. nope, that'd be just silly.

Sci-fi/fantasy man. Again not picking on you but just picking on your "pickyness". The whole point and Grace explains this, was that the planet was actually a live. And the Na'vi have the ability to communicate with it. She made this point when the dozers tore down the trees. She explained it well to the planet pretty much being like a giant brain. Again sci-fi/fantasy you do have to let your imagination wander a bit. But again its your own personal tastes that matter to you. So all in all the military is now after the central part of this "brain", all science and logic would point to "if the brain dies I die" or rephrased for the movie. If the planet dies so does everything living on it. I think at that point like we would see in our own human nature that when the time calls for it, maybe everybody would band together and fight what was trying to kill it. Classic Aliens invade earth lets put all differences aside and we are now not American and Iranian, we're human beings. Would the marines come back with a bigger force? It was never said they wouldn't.....sequel? Quite possible.

Ok so lets get to my point. Avatar has some holes. But the revolutionary visuals and animation are just down right breath taking. Yes this does not make a movie, but if you can let yourself see past a few mistakes in the story and just actually enjoy the movie for the love/action movie that it is. It is very enjoyable and honestly deserves a spot in your DvD collection when it comes out. The movie had a $500 million dollar budget primarily because it was mostly animated with brand new technology invented primarily for this movie. I read an article on it stating that it took about 4000 dual quad core rendering computers to work on one scene at a time to bring this movie to a reality. Thats fucking insane. Afterthought makes some vaild points but again IMO they are picky small details that really don't take a lot away from the film as a whole. But to be fair, giving some of the flaws the movie does present.

I have to rate it a 8.6 mongeese bites out of 10.

Again AT sorry, I honestly thought you just became more biased on the movie and got a little to nit picky with minor details to give it a fair review. Nothing against you Cheesy



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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2009, 09:29:34 AM »

How do you write a review like this and then get upset when I disliked G.I.Joe?

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this film is a horrible remake of Dances with Wolves. the director James Cameron even states that the 1990 film is a theme his film "borrows" upon. borrows couldn't be used in a more loose sense than a $5 whore and a case of tequila. this is where my review would end, but I hate this movie to no end, and feel I should prove my point.

one of my friends at work convinced me to go to this thing. and pay the $13.00 for it, because you "have" to watch it in 3-D. no you don't! do you really need to see a gun sticking out in your face? do you need the headache you'll get because the 3-D glasses don't match up with your prescription glasses? the answer to both - no. moving on. the film opens with a handicapped man having his brother cremated in space. they used a cardboard box for his remains. so we're in the year 2154, and we can't help Marines being paralyzed or use an actual coffin? okay - strike 1. we then find out the Army is after a rare element known as (and I'm NOT kidding here) UNOBTAINIUM?!? they go the entire film and don't state what this is used for. or why it's only located on this planet. the budget for this was $500 MILLION and you couldn't trademark a name better than unobtainium? okay - strike 2.

then the pretty colors come in to play. it seems the planet we've shipped out to is called Pandora (again with the stupid tongue in cheek metaphor) and is a hazardous place to be. the natives don't much care for us. but somehow, they've learned English. I'll let that slide, there was a possible scenario for this, but that's being generous. so anyways, we somehow got a sample of the native Na'vi and figured out how to clone empty shells of them. we then take control of these clones, thus the Avatar name. again, we can clone an alien who uses a tail as the ultimate flash drive for interfacing with horses, trees, nature, each other, winged creatures; but we can't fix a spine without billions of dollars? okay - strike 3, you're out, I'm done.

that literally almost happened, I almost passed out. the first 2 hours of the film will put you to sleep. it's all dialogue, most of it tongue in cheek. and lots of it are unnecessary! yes the Americans wiped out the Indians to the point of near extinction. sad, but it happened. the Nazi's did it to the Jewish people, the English did the same to the Irish, the Romans did the same to the Christians, etc etc etc. bad stuff has happened all throughout history because our species isn't perfect, I get that. but I don't need a 2-hour lecture about it when I'm paying to be entertained by a film. so I don't need the constant comparison nor the guilt trip this movie puts on you.

moving on. the natives want to protect Hometree (argh, another good use of sarcasm there huh) from us invaders. the "unobtainium" sadly rests below Hometree so you can guess what happens. the lead character is given 3 months to get them to move - or else. in those 3 months, he literally gets the same Dances with Wolves treatment Kevin Costner got, almost to the letter, right down to the marriage. strike 4! sure enough, the time runs out so it's time for the military to have their way. Hometree is destroyed, so the natives regroup up at a place called - (again I'm not kidding) Sacred Tree. who's writing this thing again?!? the lead character then gives a speech borrowed from Braveheart, 300, and the Lord of the Rings. again by "borrowed" I mean at the end of his speech, you literally hear the guy stop short of saying "This is SPARTA!" I can't believe I was still sitting there at this point.

finally, what we've all been waiting 2 hours for. the end fight scene. and it's not completely out of left field, but it's really really stupid. apparently arrows against tanks and bullets can only go so far, so when everybody is about to die, guess what happens? yes the planet has heard their cry for help, and sends the animal populace of the planet against the invaders. you read that right. the animals that were killing the Na'vi earlier on are now sympathetic to their plight and move in to help out. strike 5! sure enough, the animals were the key all along, so the heroes win. the Marines leave dejected, because surely there's no way they wouldn't come back with a hundred times more ordinance. nope, that'd be just silly.

in closing. there are so many points taken DIRECTLY from Dances with Wolves, James Cameron better be giving a share of the profits to those people. in fact, if anybody sees James Cameron in real life, tell him he owes me $13.00 and I want it back. the film had to use a couple grand of the $500 million budget at least to get reviewers to give this a positive review.  you don't really lose the fact you're watching a movie, even in "3-D". they try way too hard to make sure you hate the Army and it's completely bad writing all the way through. after it was over, I sat there in disbelief at a lot of what I just saw. my friend knew instantly that I was boiling with rage and said "it wasn't that bad." at which point I heard a voice behind us say "I liked it." I almost turned around and slugged him when I saw that he was in a wheelchair. punching the handicapped would be taking it too far, but the need for rioting was most definitely going through my mind. this film isn't the worst film of all time, but it's not for lack of trying. it's barely better than Wolverine: Origins. yes, that bad. I will say - 5th worst movie of all time.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2010, 08:14:18 PM »

good to be back.
and good points made by all.
as far as Avatar goes, if they make sequels, I'll sit them out.
and then wait for others to join in the bashing.
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2010, 12:24:49 AM »

Wow. Your review reeks of "I learned too much about the movie before I saw it and was completely predisposed". You also weren't happy you were going in to see it in 3D because of personal problems you suffer from in such a situation. Yep, you went in with a COMPLETELY open mind, huh? Wink

Bitching about Avatar being a complete ripoff of Dances with Wolves is like bitching about the Matrix being a ripoff of the Bible. Who freaking cares?! It's different enough the vast majority of people will never notice. If you want to get that picky, I defy you to find a SINGLE movie in history that isn't a retelling or ripoff of a book. After you're done trying that, find me a book that isn't a retelling or a ripoff of a folklore tale handed down throughout the centuries.

Beyond that, it was a typical James Cameron film. Predictable plot, all star cast, outstanding visuals and attention to the details. That's what makes his movies great. It's not the thought provoking situations (C'mon. We're talking the guy behind T2, Aliens, and Titanic here), it's the complete immersion into a whole new world that is plausible with characters we all can recognize from the great people and the douchebags in our real lives.

Was the movie GREAT!! No. I enjoyed it though and would describe it as awesome, but for the immersion, not the story.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2010, 01:09:18 AM »

Oh hell, I can't resist. Nothing personal, man, but I gotta tackle these "points" you make. I'm feeling snarky. Cheesy (None of this is meant as a personal affront. I'm just responding in your same tone... because it's fun)

one of my friends at work convinced me to go to this thing. and pay the $13.00 for it, because you "have" to watch it in 3-D. no you don't! do you really need to see a gun sticking out in your face? do you need the headache you'll get because the 3-D glasses don't match up with your prescription glasses? the answer to both - no.

Umm, I think 3D helped put you in the environment. Of particular note was the briefing session where they cleverly filmed it so it looked like you were sitting right there with soldiers around you. Is it necessary? Nope. Was it kinda cool though? Yep. The 3D glasses work just fine with my 'scripts. The cheesey paper ones don't and cause the issues you've mentioned, but the bulky plastic ones are perfectly fine. I'm just sayin'.

the film opens with a handicapped man having his brother cremated in space. they used a cardboard box for his remains. so we're in the year 2154, and we can't help Marines being paralyzed or use an actual coffin? okay - strike 1.

So, you weren't paying attention at this point. You really shouldn't blame the filmmakers for your lack of attention. They DO have the technology to fix the marine's paralysis, but they're still in a time of capitalistic rule. You can get fixed, if you can afford it. There was no need for a coffin. Ash dispersal in space was his brother's decision. Why the hell would they buy a coffin, or urn in that case? Complete waste of money. Your personal beliefs regarding how the world should work in the future are not a requirement for how a story should be backlit. ;P Strike 1 unstruck.

we then find out the Army is after a rare element known as (and I'm NOT kidding here) UNOBTAINIUM?!? they go the entire film and don't state what this is used for. or why it's only located on this planet. the budget for this was $500 MILLION and you couldn't trademark a name better than unobtainium? okay - strike 2.

Well, for starters, Unobtainium is a scientific term used in the present. Yup, Cameron didn't make it up. Just goes to show exactly how unimaginitive the science community really is. A link for your reading pleasure: http://www.scifisquad.com/2009/12/23/the-nomenclature-of-avatars-unobtainium/ or if you prefer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium

It's use was explained in the movie. It's a room temperature super-conductor with a high magnetic field. You weren't paying attention again, were you? Strike 2 unstruck.

then the pretty colors come in to play. it seems the planet we've shipped out to is called Pandora (again with the stupid tongue in cheek metaphor) and is a hazardous place to be. the natives don't much care for us. but somehow, they've learned English. I'll let that slide, there was a possible scenario for this, but that's being generous. so anyways, we somehow got a sample of the native Na'vi and figured out how to clone empty shells of them. we then take control of these clones, thus the Avatar name. again, we can clone an alien who uses a tail as the ultimate flash drive for interfacing with horses, trees, nature, each other, winged creatures; but we can't fix a spine without billions of dollars? okay - strike 3, you're out, I'm done.

Pandora is a moon, not a planet and it could actually exist. Do a simple search in Google. You'll get thousands of links on the very subject. The natives learned English through the Science team who set up a school in their village using Avatars, and the two species taught one another. Seriously, were you paying attention at all to this movie? We know learning languages is a possibility, even when very disparate in production. Look at the tribal languages of Africa with all the clicks and whistles. Doesn't get much more alien sounding than that, yet they have learned English, French and Deutsch and others have learned their tongue. This event isn't even a reach.

As far as getting the DNA necessary to create the Avatars, again they started out on a peaceful mission on Pandora. This would have been part of the sharing and learning. As for your second attempt to justify your disgust about a paralyzed Marine, see my explanation to Strike one above. It still applies. Strike 3 unstruck. Wink

that literally almost happened, I almost passed out. the first 2 hours of the film will put you to sleep. it's all dialogue, most of it tongue in cheek. and lots of it are unnecessary! yes the Americans wiped out the Indians to the point of near extinction. sad, but it happened. the Nazi's did it to the Jewish people, the English did the same to the Irish, the Romans did the same to the Christians, etc etc etc. bad stuff has happened all throughout history because our species isn't perfect, I get that. but I don't need a 2-hour lecture about it when I'm paying to be entertained by a film. so I don't need the constant comparison nor the guilt trip this movie puts on you.

Here's where your predisposition got in your way. You see, those thoughts didn't occur to anyone I've talked to who has seen the movie. The rest of us saw that as rich character development and environment explanation. Almost no time at all was spent on "humans are destructive RAAAAAH!". That was assumed from the very first briefing which took place around 15 minutes into the movie and wasn't mentioned again until the first attack on the Na'vi.

moving on. the natives want to protect Hometree (argh, another good use of sarcasm there huh) from us invaders.

Ever heard what Native Americans, Tribal Africans, and (since the Na'vi were compared to them, and labeled as such) Aboriginals call places of spiritual importance? It's things like Hometree, Greatoak, Tree of Life. Hell, Christians had an important Burning Bush. Your coughing at nature here. Simpler races use simpler terms. They don't beat around the bush when naming things. It keeps things simple and you know what you're dealing with by it's very name. Beats the hell out of "Maktunkata". That name doesn't tell you it's an active volcano at all...

the "unobtainium" sadly rests below Hometree so you can guess what happens. the lead character is given 3 months to get them to move - or else. in those 3 months, he literally gets the same Dances with Wolves treatment Kevin Costner got, almost to the letter, right down to the marriage. strike 4!

It's close, I'll grant you that. Not EXACT as you claim, but it's close. There was no marriage though, just sex, and it lasted all of one night together.

sure enough, the time runs out so it's time for the military to have their way. Hometree is destroyed, so the natives regroup up at a place called - (again I'm not kidding) Sacred Tree. who's writing this thing again?!? the lead character then gives a speech borrowed from Braveheart, 300, and the Lord of the Rings. again by "borrowed" I mean at the end of his speech, you literally hear the guy stop short of saying "This is SPARTA!" I can't believe I was still sitting there at this point.

Again, I'll refer you to my above point about the names. It is an accurate portrayal. As to your third point, you just named 3 movies which all used the same thing, but those three were somehow OK in doing so, but this one was not? You're having fun with us, right?

As to your first point here, well, didn't I say above it was a typical James Cameron movie? Predictable?

finally, what we've all been waiting 2 hours for. the end fight scene. and it's not completely out of left field, but it's really really stupid. apparently arrows against tanks and bullets can only go so far, so when everybody is about to die, guess what happens? yes the planet has heard their cry for help, and sends the animal populace of the planet against the invaders. you read that right. the animals that were killing the Na'vi earlier on are now sympathetic to their plight and move in to help out. strike 5! sure enough, the animals were the key all along, so the heroes win. the Marines leave dejected, because surely there's no way they wouldn't come back with a hundred times more ordinance. nope, that'd be just silly.

Whoops! Strike 5 missed the mark and proves you weren't paying attention again. The beasts that begin to charge, while assumed to be sent by the spiritual force of the moon by the natives, could have merely been responding to the massive damage to their territorial homes. This happens in nature too. Watch a Rhino or Elephant stampede to protect their territories sometime.

More importantly though, they weren't attacking the Na'vi earlier in the movie. The Na'vi have an understanding and relationship with all creatures in the forest. Those beasts were attacking Avatars earlier in the movie, which everything on that moon can tell is not a tru Na'vi. They smell different and wear different adornments clothes)

While riding the big cat-like beast was a stretch, as the old saying goes, and as does happen in nature, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Strike 5 unstruck.

in closing. there are so many points taken DIRECTLY from Dances with Wolves, James Cameron better be giving a share of the profits to those people. in fact, if anybody sees James Cameron in real life, tell him he owes me $13.00 and I want it back.

I feel the same way about District 9. I want my money AND my two hours back from the colossal waste that film was. And don;t get me started on Wolverine. It was a decent, enjoyable movie, but they fscked up so much of Wolvies real history it left me pissed. I felt much the same about G.I. Joe and Tranformers (both of them). I keep watching my childhood destroyed, piece by piece, by snot-nosed directors and writers who came into my joys later in life and never bothered to really get to know them before butchering them on screen. I keep waiting for them to destroy Thundercats, It's about the only thing left unscathed.

You're entitled to your opinion. The rest of us are entitled to ours.
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2010, 07:51:22 PM »

I enjoyed the movie thoroughly - the graphics are breathtaking and I thought the story unfolded quite well.   Yes, there are distinct parallels between this movie and DWW, but I think this story elaborates so much more for character development.    I think 20 years from now this movie may not have the same impact due to the eyecandy, but I think pound for pound this is well worth a watch in the theatre and I only hope they make the DVD 3D as well.

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 08:15:49 PM »

Watch they are going to do Thundercats and have the lead point of view be from Snarf's viewpoint.  Hated that cat more than what Jar Jar Binks killed Episode 1.
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