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« on: November 21, 2010, 05:28:16 PM »

I didn't even know that apple still made computers.   cheesy
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 09:41:49 PM »

They're chewing up market share, they dominate the mobile market, from phones to tablets to laptops, and every PC mag has their products running Windows better than any other competitor. They don't just make computers still, they make the best and most reliable. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2010, 03:44:09 AM »

They dominate the mobil market but with the new law passed that people can Jail Break phones means they only get profit from sales alone...not service. I have friends that HATE the Iphone based on it's poor reception and service. I Tablet was a joke. MAC is like the inventor that everyone steels the idea from. Then makes it better. As far as MAC'sgo... I have several friends who speak nothing but good from them. As far as games go...Valve is really the first company to pursue games with them. There have been other mac games that have came out. But Valve is the first to go main stream. Currently Microsoft dominates the market and most game makers will continue to go mainstream. I haven't had personal experience with a MAC butI do see it as a viable machine IF or WHEN it becomes main stream.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2010, 03:52:23 AM »

New reply needed....No offense V at all. But you're Biased. Mobil MAC is good. Computer wise "In this day and age" they still SUCK! They tried to sue other companies for "copying their phones" The first to invent the smart phone, YES. The first to perfect it, NO! MAC has gthe right idea..just not right now.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2010, 04:36:26 AM »

Ok to put it brunt, there are Viruses all over the world. MAC is in its own essence "new". Just wait when MAC becomes apart of the mainstream public. There will be problems, there will be viruses. All in all there will be issues. Talk up all you want about MAC. I personally assure that if it becomes main stream. It's like anotother PC in the making. "OOPS people figured out how it works...there for they figured out how to ex[ploit it." SHIT...UT OH.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2010, 05:04:09 PM »

I have an Android phone.  I would have picked up an iPhone if they didn't have the antenna issues and were not on AT&T. The ATT plans were more expensive then Sprint when I compared them.  I think Android has more then caught up to Apple   Like their computers if they don't soon go to other carriers their phones will just be a novelty instead of a major competitor.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2010, 11:59:17 PM »

No offense taken. I'm used to overzealatous people ranting and raving against the "enemy". I am never offended, I just learn who deserves less of my respect each time it happens. You two are so out of touch with reality that any time I would spend debating the issue would fall on deaf, uninterested ears. Sorry, my time is more valuable than that. I would suggest you go read real publications instead of Winblows and Google fan boi forums. I'll cover a few for you until you learn to research before opening your mouth.

I'm no more biased than you are, Opie. At least I use both OSes every day and can speak from educated experience instead of fan boi rants that takes less than two minutes with a search engine to debunk. Wink Seriously, 3 separate posts, each one fraught with wild inaccuracies? Pure troll bait, Opie.

The goes to you too Blim. The antennae problems exists on EVERY SINGLE SMART PHONE. Gizmodo blew it out of proportion on the iPhone to take revenge on Apple for cooperating with law enforcement over their purchase of stolen property and exposing Apple's IP to the public. Both serious crimes. If Android has caught up to iPhone, explain pages like this to me that popup daily: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20023199-264.html Yup. Open is awesome. Wink

Jailbreaking != any carrier. That's Unlocking, which is still illegal. Common misunderstanding, but now you know the truth. Also, the majority of profits isn't from sale of the hardware, and sure as hell isn't from carrier income (That all goes to AT&T, so even unlocking iPhones doesn't hurt Apple, it hurts AT&T), it comes from sales of apps, which are blowing away every single competitor combined by an order of magnitude. Don't believe me? Ask Nintendo how iOS has taken over their platform and dropped sales of the DSi in the toilet.

Service. Doesn't matter which carrier you have, it all depends on where you are and what towers are present. I have the sam reception with AT&T that I had with Verizon, and a LOT fewer dropped calls. Sprint in my area isn't even a consideration. You leave the interstate, you lose your signal.

The iPad was a joke? You mean the single best-selling tech gadget of all time? (Go read the numbers. You're talking completely out of your ass on this one) The device being adopted by more universities and Fortune 500 businesses than any other technology? DSV is currently working on iPhone and iPad apps for 45 insurance companies around the world. Yeah, that's a fail. LOL

The makes it better line is pure troll bait and completely subjective. There's your zealot argument I'm leaving alone. Sticking to debunking your statements.

Valve is the first company? Are you out of your mind? I can't even begin to... you really need to get out more. Valve was the only HOLDOUT, not the first to the party. Wow. Just... wow.

The mainstream argument is, again, trollbait that I won't touch save to point you to my statement about Macs chewing up marketshare. Marketshare that Microsoft is losing. And the fact that you "haven't had any personal experience with a Mac" is exactly the problem with your entire argument. Thanks for proving my point for me. Wink

First to invent the smart phone? Umm, that was Nokia, followed by RIM and Palm. Just like with iPod, Apple didn't invent the device genre nor were they even an early player, but they perfected and dominated it. Every industry expert will tell you (go read, again) that the iPhone is what made owning a smartphone more than a business user idea. The next closest device to that honorific is the HTC EVO.

Your virus remarks are pure bullshit and you can go read about that too (getting the hint here? Read and know the truth before spewing ridiculous bullshit from your mouth) from industry experts. Mac is not "new". The first was in 1984. THe first Apple computer (which created the entire PC industry, mind you) was in 1977 (publicly available). Mac OS X was released in March of 2000 and is based on BSD which was old when Bill Gates first thought of stealing the Mac OS to make Windows. I have to ask, are you freaking high? Virii don't exist on Macs because it's damned hard to write a virus for an OS that has been locking itself down against such attacks for over THIRTY YEARS.

Also, if you knew anything at all about Virii writers, you'd know they live to be gods, to be the one who does what no one else has. Getting a virus on a Mac would accomplish that goal, and it hasn't happened in the 10 years Mac OS X has been available. This argument is 5 years old now and I can't believe anyone still believes it after being debunked so many times.

All that being said, You need to drop the Highlander angst. There doesn't have to be only one. Windows has it uses (Business almost entirely) as does Mac (almost everything else). Gaming is best served these days on consoles. Why do you think Microsoft puts 50% of it's girth behind the XBox? They could see the writing on the walls. Unfortunately what they didn't see coming was the proliferation of mobile gaming. It's kicking the gaming industry in the teeth, and so far only on iOS devices.

I welcome Android. Too bad it's so fragmented that it's a big bag of hurt for developers. I know, I am one and every time we start working on Android apps again, we ask ourselves if it's really worth it. So far, it isn't. The costs associated with testing and support ALONE make android apps much more costly to pursue.

I want other carriers to get the iPhone (2012 after the exclusivity contract expires). That will get a lot of whiny jackholes off my network providing more bandwidth for me, and at the same time put the final nail in the Android and RIM coffins. Lots of studies over the past year have shown that if the iPhone was available on more networks, it would be the phone of choice over any offering in the Android or Blackberry segments.

Unlike both of you, I make a living doing this. It's my job to know where the markets are headed and why. My livelihood depends on it. The facts, which are all very easy to get to online, don't support what you're saying AT ALL, and nothing you said changes my original statements. I choose not to use Windows at home or for my gaming. I'm sorry that upset you both so much, but I frankly couldn't care less. I never told you to switch to Macs, and I never will. Why is it so important to you that Windows sounds better? Usually this kind of argumentative prattle with no basis in facts or reality is the attempt of the desperate to cling to the belief that their choice is right, even in the face of it being untrue.

Whatever. I'm done in here. If you want to discuss this rationally and with facts, start a new topic and I'll consider it, but the fields of FUD in this topic tire me.
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2010, 10:54:10 AM »

Don't lump me in the hate fest there.  I just said I only went with Android and Sprint due to the pricing structure.  I'm never far from the interstate so region coverage doesn't mean much to me.  If Apple was on Sprint the iPhone would hwave been a solid choice when comparing phones. 

My jab at Apple computers was just for humor.  Apples stock price andcontinual earnings are proof enough that they  are doing more than fine in the industry.  I still hope they ditch the single wireless carrier strategy though and maybe in 2-3 years I'll look into their phones again.
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2010, 05:48:14 PM »

I know you were jabbing for fun. My response was the same. Opie seems to have taken offense though. Cheesy

And Android phones are fine, mostly. Development for them is what sucks.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2010, 09:57:55 PM »

I hate all of your computers, all of you, so there.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2010, 10:56:20 AM »

I know you were jabbing for fun. My response was the same. Opie seems to have taken offense though. Cheesy

And Android phones are fine, mostly. Development for them is what sucks.

I wouldn't say the development sucks.  More that you have to wade through an endless parade of shit to find the good stuff.  Apple has taken it upon itself to wade through that particular doody for us.

Sill, I have my HTC incredible plugged into my macbook pro which is connect remotely to a Scientific Linux AND a win7 computer right now... Put that in your pipe and etc.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2010, 07:37:36 PM »

I wouldn't say the development sucks.  More that you have to wade through an endless parade of shit to find the good stuff.  Apple has taken it upon itself to wade through that particular doody for us.

Sill, I have my HTC incredible plugged into my macbook pro which is connect remotely to a Scientific Linux AND a win7 computer right now... Put that in your pipe and etc.

No, trust me. Development for Android sucks. The SDK just recently got decent enough to use, you have to test against over 100 devices and over 30 versions of Android. Ask the Angry Birds developers how fun Android development is. Wink

I have my iPhone connected to Mac and a Windows box right now. No Linux because, well, I don't have a need at the moment. No jailbreak needed either. What was that about a pipe? Hehe.
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2010, 09:10:51 PM »

Any more it seems the software is the difference. Hardware is getting more and more the same across platforms (not sure about phones).
Apple used to use Motorola CPUs, then IBM and now x86 (Intel) like PCs. Rumors going around that AMD may next be used in some Apple systems. Now they use Nvidia or AMD GPUs just like PCs. As always I like to tinker and build my own so I always use PCs. If I switched to a laptop as my main machine I probably would get a mac book pro. I do think Apples track pads are the best.

But there are features or new hardware Apple misses out on depending on the product cycles. It seems Apple upgrades big at once and waits (I hear they came up with the iphone years before it actually came out and waited to release until it got better). So you may find a PC laptop with more advanced specs because apple has not released a new version of their stuff for a while yet the PC models are advancing monthly. Then for apple's next product cycle they are even again. Apple seems to keep to goals with their systems, like not letting battery life get too short by putting in the fastest laptop CPU which takes more power like a new Acer (example) may have @ $1000.
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2010, 02:49:07 PM »

Quote
Opie seems to have taken offense though.

Oh no. Just been busy I haven't had the time to sit down and form a response :-p
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2010, 09:34:49 PM »

Oh, I wasn't talking about your lack of response. More your heated triple response earlier. Cheesy

And please don't be offended by what I typed. I certainly didn't mean to insult.
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